Manny Pacquiao - Miguel Cotto Does 1.25 Million Buys, Helps Propel Boxing Into Levels Of Popularity Rivaling The 1980s
Written by Tim Starks   
Friday, 20 November 2009 13:13

HBO announced Friday that Manny Pacquiao-Miguel Cotto did 1.25 pay-per-view buys over the weekend, giving boxing its first year where two fights hit the 1 million mark since 1999. Here’s where I’d normally say, “Take that, ‘boxing is dead’ automatons!” but everybody finally seems to get it. I can, at least for the time being, remove the chip from my shoulder (even though I insist it was a fact-based chip). Boxing isn’t dead, and, rather, is resurgent. And this is merely more proof of it. In fact, it’s exceeding even my own hair-afire pronouncements.

There hasn’t been a week like this for the public perception and visibility of the sport since I began writing about boxing in 2007, the year boxing’s turnaround really kicked into gear, and really, going back further than that. The Associated Press wrote this week that “the sport is returning to the popularity level it enjoyed in the early 1980s,” and it was plausible.

Pacquiao-Cotto is not the only reason, mind you. But it’s certainly contributed very, very heavily. What Pacquiao-Cotto might beget – a welterweigh showdown between Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather – is fueling a hefty percentage of the buzz around the sport. Pacquiao-Cotto eclipsed the other biggest fight of the year, Mayweather-Juan Manuel Marquez, which did about 1 mil even. And it did huge business at the live gate, too, surpassing Mayweather-Marquez on that count as well.

That two men who don’t speak English as their first languages and don’t live in the continental United States could combine to produce a fight of this size is tremendous. What Pacquiao does – and, to a lesser level, Cotto does – transcends whether someone is a hardcore boxing fan or not, transcends even language. Free Darko put it very well: “As I watched Pacquiao/Cotto surrounded by a large extended family whose knowledge of boxing ranged from encyclopedic to nil, all of whom responded to Manny's space-and-time defying combos with the same oohs and aaahs (admittedly, unorthodox technique and cultural affinity played some role here), it dawned on me: There exists a type of athlete so crackling, inventive, and forceful, and elemental, that they become the great equalizer.”

I think there exists a type of FIGHT that does that, too, like say an Israel Vazquez-Rafael Marquez III, at least based on my own experience. And I don’t think boxing is dependent on one or two big names to thrive. But damn, it sure does help. Because if Vazquez-Marquez III happens and few sports fans with passing interest in boxing know those fighters, then it’s a bit like the tree falling in the forrest with no one around. And damn, ain’t it something that a (formerly) tiny Filipino could captivate the United States like this? I say that not with any disdain for Filipinos, only for the United States’ tendency to exclusively embrace sports heroes that hail from within its borders. Someone said recently there hasn’t been a foreign-born boxer this big in the United States since Roberto Duran, which takes us back to the 80s again.

And I don’t think the numbers lie: Pacquiao is a bigger star than Mayweather at this point. (Bug spray to defend myself against the obligatory “you’re a hater” comments: Mayweather is a great fighter, and a big star, whether I like him or not.) I confess that Mayweather’s surprisingly strong box office showing against Marquez had me doubting who was the bigger star. But 1.25 million pay-per-views is more than 1 million. An $8.84 million gate is more than a $6.84 million gate. Mayweather can say, as he’s been saying, “I didn’t have no dance partner.” But two answers, Floyd: 1. You hyped Marquez’ ability to sell tickets as the reason you fought the lightweight champ as opposed to, say, a real welterweight like Shane Mosley: “He got a country behind him! A country! A country! Mexican and black fighters have been dominating the sport, and you always get your biggest fights when you match the two together.” 2. If you want a better dance partner, get a better dance partner next time. Your choice of dance partner after 2002 is the worst thing about you, buddy.

But I don’t want to shortchange what Mayweather brings to the table. Pacquiao’s the bigger star, but Mayweather’s a huge star in his own right. The idea of Pacquiao-Mayweather has generated a ton of this week’s heat. On Monday on ESPN, the highlights from Pacquiao-Cotto were the “Top Play.” On Wednesday on ESPN, Pacquiao-Cotto was voted the “Image of the Week” on Sportscenter. But sticking with the same channel, when Pardon The Interruption discussed boxing Wednesday , it was Pacquiao-Mayweather that the PTI boys debated, and when Jim Rome brought up boxing Wednesday – it was jut a couple months ago that I saw a show where Rome and his guests declared boxing dead, by the way – he brought up Pacquiao-Mayweather. And just this week, Mayweather was a guest booked to be a guest but was bumped from George Lopez’ show, which is doing better ratings than I might have imagined.

The idea of these two men fighting each other is enough that Yankee Stadium is interested in hosting it; political guru James Carville is trying to bring the fight to New Orleans; Jerry Jones wants the fight in the new Cowboys Stadium; and Las Vegas, eager to keep its foothold in boxing, is even talking about building a 30,000-capacity outdoor stadium for the fight. Major sponsors like Pepsi and Subway are flirting with getting involved.

Big, big stuff. We’re talking about very likely the biggest-money fight ever. These are fine days to be a boxing fan, friends. Fine days indeed.



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written by Mady, November 20, 2009
It is indeed a great time to be a boxing fan! I am however, worried about this Pacquaio/Mayweather "mega-fight". It was difficult enough to get GOOD seats to the Pacquaio/Cotto and shelling out $1,000 per ticket was painful (but well worth it). I dont even want to imagine the madness that will surround Pac/Mayweather smilies/cry.gif
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written by willfrank, November 20, 2009
Good news indeed. Although the community of boxing supporters needs to learn to start tampering down expectations or otherwise engaging in speculation before the official numbers are released (I heard 2 million being talked about earlier in the week?). Underpromise/overdeliver is always the wiser course than the reverse. Bet your bottom dollar someone will now characterize 1.25 million buys as "disappointing".

One additional thing that has to be factored in to this years' PPV numbers (for both PacMAC and PBF/JMM and even PacHat)- is the "competition" being provided by relatively easy accessibility to illegal internet streams-- accessibility that I'm pretty sure didn't exist a few years back unless you were savvy in the ways of the web and your name was Sheldon. I would suspect that a small but sizable % of the "streamers" were fight fans who would have otherwise paid for the PPV, so that the true yardstick of "interest" for these fights would actually be some multiplier on top of the actual number of PPV buys. I suspect Oscar's PPV buys-- and others from the 1990's and even earlier this decade-- didn't really have such web-based competition, and makes apples to apples comparisons all that more difficult. And it makes the current #s even more impressive in my eyes.

And geez, if we could just get advertisers/sponsors back on board, maybe some of these fights (not the megabouts, of course) can be shown on regular/cable network TV and then the whole pirate issue becomes moot. A glimmer of hope perhaps? Especially if Subway and Pepsi are interested. But Subway's Jared has it bass ackwards-- its cool to move UP in weight divisions like Pac; moving down is not the way to go.
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Pac/Mayweather
written by GG, November 20, 2009
I'm not so sure as to who is the bigger star. I think Pac does more to inspire casual fans and probably make them become his fans. But I think Mayweather handles himself with a style that makes him just seem like the bigger star without anyone even knowing what he does for a living. The dude could be small DB on an NFL football team for all anyone knows.

Some things to wonder as we compare buyrates. It looks like Cotto's homeland purchased about 110K of the buys. I don't know that Marquez's homeland even had the show on PPV, or whether it was free on TV. I need to look that up. If not, then it's not truly apples to apples on the buyrate.

Also, the Pac/Cotto fight was simply bigger. And that's definitely not to fault Pac. So to me, the Mayweather number is almost more impressive in a sense because I'd say that Cotto would be seen as the bigger and more marketable boxer compared to Marquez, at least to casual fans. If they did Pac/Marquez III at the same time, would it be bigger or the same? I don't think it'd be bigger.

But here's the key to Pac: He's becoming more popular by the second. By the time they fight, he might truly be the bigger star. But Mayweather will always be able to talk for himself, which Manny really can't.

I love studying this stuff. Nice job with the post!
roheblius
Sorry for the long comment
written by GG, November 20, 2009
I didn't think it was that long!
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Pacquiao-Mayweather in Vegas
written by Jou Moer, November 20, 2009
From what I understand, the Vegas 30,000 stadium would be a temporary fixture put up by Steve Wynn across from his casino. Why would he only go to 30,000 ? To keep the average ticket price at $1,000? Why would he not build a 50,000 capacity stadium. They would have no problem filling it.
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written by Edgar A. de Dios, November 20, 2009
Pacquiao is now the bigger star of the two. Despite his being a non-American, he is now a big draw in the US, not to mention elsewhere especially in Asia where he is the number fighter. Primarily, this is fueled by his accomplishments in the ring plus his very admirable traits inside and outside that ring. It's definitely God's blessing that He gave us Manny Pacquiao for this generation. Thank you so much, Oh LORD!!!!!!!!!!!
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written by RonRick, November 20, 2009
Pacquiao-Mayweather is obviously a megafight for next year. The question is, will it be the best fight of the decade? I am excited at this bout, but at the back of my head head, I think Floyd is gonna give us the biggest rip-off of our ppv experience. I think he will do his best to just outpoint Pac en-route to a decision and cash away the biggest purse then retire. With the way Pacquiao demolished Cotto, I am pretty sure Mayweather will have doubts of mixing it up with Pac. This is a double edge sword... if the biggest fight of the decade happens next year and it doesn't turn out as the best fight... it will bring back boxing down to its knees again. Imagine tens of thousand of audiences, from celebrities down to the average joe's, paid to see the best fight and it did not live up to the hype... it will suck big time! and customer will turn their back again from boxing if it does happen.
This is just not pac's biggest challenge but his biggest responsibility to turn this into an exciting bout. what can you say???
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Pacquiao's the draw....
written by mexicali, November 20, 2009
Pacquiao is obviously the bigger draw compared to Mayweather...when you have a non-american boxer generating 1.25 million PPV buys in american soil, that's something...too bad pacquiao is not an american.boxing is full of politics (and sometimes racism).if he is an american, ESPN would have put him in the top 10 boxers of all time after he beat and KO'ed the mexican trio of marquez, morales and barrera...
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PPV rate
written by sneaky jepoy, November 20, 2009
tim,

you forgot to mention that the PPV rate for the mayweather-marquez fight is $49.99, while pacquiao cotto was $54.99. The difference will add more money comparing both.
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Mage fight
written by Rocky, November 20, 2009
It will be a battle between a boxer who is more qualified to be a contestant with the show dancing with the star and Rocky Balboa. This will be a mega fight....huge.... and will be an epic. Unless of course Mayweather will once again forget that he is joining a boxing match and not the New York marathon. Pacman bring excitement inside the ring. He fight to make people happy. Mayw. fight for money period!
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written by kamikaze, November 20, 2009
Floyd must be delusional when he said that the reason Pacquiao/Cotto did very well in terms of PPV is because he had a dance partner in Cotto. I would say that around 40% who bought his previous fight rooted for Marquez. Oscar was clearly the draw when they fought.

Assuming that he is right, it is still his fault. He could have generated more PPV buys should he fought the likes of Cotto, Margarito and Mosley...
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written by selwyn, November 20, 2009
ok. My final analysis based on what i have read on articles of respected boxing writing IT IS THE PACMAN WHO IS THE BIGGER STAR. 70/30 in favor of PACMAN.
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written by selwyn, November 20, 2009
GAYWEATHER IS BIGGER IN MOUTH ONLY.
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written by ZMan, November 20, 2009
I think HBO deserves some credit in helping facilitate this renaissance with the 24/7 series. While many hardcore fans have little use for the show for various reasons, a lot of casual fans and even non-sports fans are drawn to it, at least if the people I know are any barometer. When you start talking about PPV buys in the 800K-1.2M range, you are talking about events that transcend the hard core boxing fan. 24/7 is the centerpiece of the marketing machine behind these big fights, and it's working big time (Jones-Calzaghe the anomaly). Don't get me wrong, the fighters are the thing, but this show has really changed how fights and fighters are presented to the masses. Despite its flaws, I think boxing fans should be happy that a show like this exists in order to make these events seem really important.
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Pacquiao-Mayweather - Make the Fight already!
written by Jay Ari Yin, November 20, 2009
Now that the Pacquiao-Cotto PPV buys is out, let the negotiation for the Pacquiao-Mayweather begin.

I think that 50-50 sharing is just fair. Roach is also ok with the 50-50 sharing. HBO head honcho is pushing for 50-50 to easily make the deal, as well. The earlier the deal is settled, the better it is for the promotion. They will have more time to promote if the match is to be held in April, May or June. May 10, 2010 is the Philippine election day so it would be better and in Manny's political ambition's favor if the fight is to be held in the late part of April or at the latest on May 1. Manny do not need to campaign as news about him will be published and talked-about daily. And if he wins, well, the congressional seat will be his for the taking.

I think the projection of Arum and Dela Hoya that the 3M PPV buys can be hit is achievable. Oscar said in his blog at ringtv.com that if Floyd was a cross-over star as he is now when they fought, they could have made at least 4M PPV buys. It seems that while Floyd is trumpeting he was the reason the match reached 2.44M PPV buys, Oscar is claiming all those buys was because of him. The Pacquiao-Mayweather bout may indeed hit 3M PPV and either can claim he is the superstar attraction but one thing is for certain, at least 1M of that projected buyers will buy it to see Floyd flat on his back!

The ball is now in Floyd's hand to make the fight a reality.

By the way, did I read it right that the "renaissance" of boxing began when you started writing about it? smilies/grin.gif Well, I was well-informed on all the goings-on in boxing when I started following your blog last year. smilies/smiley.gif

Congrats on your new blog set-up!
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written by rcapanzana, November 20, 2009
Mayweather had 3 great ppv number simply because of his opponents (de la hoya, hatton, marquez). Case in point, pbf-jmm fight has to be rescheduled due to dismal response/sales to a date around mexican independence day to boost ppv sales, logically it's the mexican market that carried the 1 million ppv, not mayweather. I would seriously question if PBF has a strong fan base at all...his style and personality is not fan--friendly at all.
roheblius
Wow
written by GG, November 20, 2009
Tim, I have to hand it to you, you get some great conversations going.

However, I have to disagree somewhat with the last comment.

There are three reasons why De La Hoya/Mayweather did so well.

1. DLH was the biggest star in the sport.
2. As suggested, 24/7 recreated how to hype up a fight correctly.
3. Mayweather came off as such a heel, people wanted to see DLH kick his ass.

To say that Mayweather was not responsible at all for any of the buy rate is off.

Without 24/7, DLH and May probably do something like 1 million-1.25 million. And that's all because of DLH. Casual fans didn't really know May. Thanks to 24/7, May carried a hefty percentage of those late buys. May was brilliant in the promotion of that fight. Simply brilliant.

Now what I won't disagree with is that May probably doesn't have as large of a die-hard fanbase as Pac. I don't think that's hard to see. Thus, more than anything, he's drawing because of his personality and you don't have to be fan-friendly to do that. In fact, in many cases, it works against you.

GG
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Pacman is the reason
written by edward faji, November 21, 2009
I'll buy any ticket on the table just to watch again this little Pacman guy. He is so amazing, period!!!
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PPV in the Philippines?
written by bolo punch, November 21, 2009
if there is a way for HBO to have PPV arrangements in the Philippines then surely PPV numbers would have been much much more. it is no secret that millions of Fiipinos stay home or go to moviehouses on days that Pacquiao fights. if in puerto rico a hundred thousand people paid to see the fight live, it could be just the same or probably even much more in Philippines where Manny is idolized by the entire country.
Tim Starks
Responses to Mady, WF and GG
written by Tim Starks, November 21, 2009
Mady:

Yup, it ain't gonna be easy. The downside of boxing getting so hot is that the clubhouse will be a little less exclusive.

WF:

Excellent, excellent point on the streaming. And, let's not forget, this happened in a recession. The numbers are all the more impressive because of that and what you point out. I must say, I came pretty close to nailing this in my guess, by the way. I said 1.2 million!

Totally hilarious line about Jared.

GG:

Never apologize for long posts. Especially when you make so many cogent points.

I agree that Cotto contributed to the numbers. I don't know how we can measure the degree to which Mexican-American fans helped Marquez, though. There are a lot of them, more than Puerto Ricans; hell, they were the majority of the live audience. And don't forget that was Mexican Independence Day weekend, when Mexican-American fans will buy any old fight that weekend, even if Marquez isn't their favorite.

I actually had my doubts Pacquiao-Cotto would hit 1 million. I don't assume that it would have had more appeal to the casual fan. I don't mean to diminish America here, but we don't usually love non-American fighters this much. Mayweather could talk up his fight like a mofo. Pacquiao and Cotto could only say "I am training hard. I fight for my people" and other generic sentences.

So I guess my answer to you is, when there's no way to measure some of this for sure, you have to go with the numbers. And I refer back to my point: If Pacquiao got a boost from better opposition, well, isn't that the kind of decision the bigger star makes, and shouldn't Mayweather have chosen more wisely? I think there's an inherent limitation to Mayweather's star power in his selection of foe.

As for De La Hoya, I completely agree with you on that point.
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